A speculative history of my Y DNA 3

Micheal Rogers, (not surprisingly, not a relation) wise moderator of the FamilyTreeDNa project Rogers/Rodgers comments on this rare entire lack of DNA matches.

… it’s apparent that your own ancestral path branches off below R-L23, a very ancient R1b branch just below M269. Your L23 branch is ancestral to major West European branches R1b-P312, and R1b-U106 which comprise the majority of West European R1b. Again, at just 5 descendant SNPs below R-L23 you are a direct and close descendant of the Yamna Culture from whom all R1b haplogroup members descend. Your BY94518 clade is quite ancient, and likely places your direct line within the Proto-Bell Beaker, or Bell Beaker period, which may explain why your YSTR markers are so different than others of your direct clade. There may be as much as 5,000 years between you and your current clade siblings, so plenty of time for YSTR markers to mutate to the point that without YSNP testing, it would be impossible to place their bearers within the same deep clade, or even general haplogroup.


Thank you Micheal. In retrospect, I suspect the family story of “being in Italy forever” is more true than I could have realized. Keep in mind, also the very old Prothrombin mutation, and this makes a lot of sense.

Here, a friendly little man walks through the thousands of years of this DNA. Scaled Innovation at Tracking Back  has created this amazing little tool tracking the path of a DNA population. It places my Y DNA ancestors pretty squarely in ancient Greece, Anatolia, the Balkans…

Between 27 and 23
From Scaled Innovation at Tracking Back

And it ends, bloody hell, about 3,000 years ago.


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